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Title: The Openness of God: A Biblical Challenge to the Traditional Understanding of God by Clark H. Pinnock, Richard Rice, John Sanders, William Hasker ISBN: 0-8308-1852-9 Publisher: Intervarsity Press Pub. Date: October, 1994 Format: Paperback Volumes: 1 List Price(USD): $16.00 |
Average Customer Rating: 2.74 (39 reviews)
Rating: 1
Summary: Embarrassed for Shoreview, MN
Comment: I just finished this book. It was required reading for my study course. In my class review, I gave it a low rating which is what I give it here.
This book just skips over Isaiah section Chapters 41 through 47 and does not address the comparison between the LORD God and the idols Israel worshiped.
Isaiah clearly says God declares the future. There is embarrassment for Shoreview who misunderstands what Scripture is saying about God's knowing for certain what will come to pass.
She quotes it being FUTURE TENSE, yet misses the point that God knows all TENSES: Past, Present, Future equally. Isaiah makes no distinction about God knowing ONLY what He shall do, not what Israel or Gentile nations or individuals shall certainly or certainly not do.
If there is anything Bible College has taught me, it is to read the Bible texts carefully before expounding erroneous ideas about
what Scripture actually says and means.
I grieve for Clark Pinnock and those authors who mislead people with Openness of God. He is open relationally to us with no limits on His divine foreknowledge of all our free futures. We are free to act out the futures He knows for a fact we shall and shall not choose. The future is open to us, but not to the LORD Who declares it before it comes to pass - KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV.
Rating: 1
Summary: Shoreview strong on Old, weak on New Testament?
Comment: This is one of the most disturbing books I have recently read.
I've tried to track with Open Theism, but it doesn't square with Scripture.
All the reviews so far are either to the point, or off track like Ms. Shoreview.Is what she writes considered book reviewing?
I don't find this book interacting with the John 13 passage at all. Notice Laika or whomever from Shoreview MN doesn't even address Jesus' exhaustive Prescience in her comments. She doesn't interact with this book at all or explain her position?
The Isaiah passage is clear: God knows the Future for a Fact in its entirety. Laika needs to read the entire context from Isaiah 40 - 48, where the LORD contrasts Himself to ignorant idols which do not know the future. It's not merely what God Himself chooses to do in the future (which obviously involves countless free human actions that He must know as well, or else how could He decide what He will do in relations with free beings? Does Laika imagine God operates/declares the future in a vacuum??).
God declares the future,period. His own. Ours. People's. Nations.
Prophecy. Sovereign Prescience. That's the whole point. That's what makes God God and not a useless idol.
The sad feeling I come away with from this book is idolatry. Those who embrace what Pinnock and others are peddling are making the same tragic error Israel did in Isaiah 40-48. May the words of Isaiah and Jesus (John 13) bring reclamation to wayward openism disciples. That's my prayer.
In all honesty, looks like Edina is right about John 13. And Laika from Shoreview has not addressed that in her latest post.
Why?
I'm sorry I rated this too highly at 1 star. But at least credit is given for the attempt at persuasiveness, operative word being attempt. It just fails to persuade.
Rating: 5
Summary: No need to insert your own words into scripture, Edina.
Comment: Reader from Edina quotes Isaiah 46:10 from her bible, inserting her own words:
"The Bible says, 'I declare the end from the beginning.'
'I am telling you now before it happens so you will know that I AM.'"<--- second sentence NOT in scripture
Here's the real Isaiah 46:10 (NASB)
"Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, 'My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';"
Notice the future tense, "I will accomplish", "will be established".
Isaiah 48:3 (NASB)
"I declared the former things long ago
And they went forth from My mouth, and I proclaimed them.
Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass."
"suddenly I acted, and they came to pass"
"suddenly I acted, and they came to pass"
No need to insert your own words into scripture, it stands by itself.
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Title: The God Who Risks: A Theology of Providence by John Sanders ISBN: 0830815015 Publisher: Intervarsity Press Pub. Date: November, 1998 List Price(USD): $24.00 |
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Title: God of the Possible: A Biblical Introduction to the Open View of God by Gregory A. Boyd ISBN: 080106290X Publisher: Baker Book House Pub. Date: April, 2000 List Price(USD): $13.99 |
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Title: Beyond the Bounds: Open Theism and the Undermining of Biblical Christianity by John Piper, Justin Taylor, Paul Kjoss Helseth ISBN: 1581344627 Publisher: Crossway Books Pub. Date: February, 2003 List Price(USD): $17.99 |
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Title: Most Moved Mover: A Theology of God's Openness (The Didsbury Lectures) by Clark H. Pinnock ISBN: 0801022908 Publisher: Baker Book House Pub. Date: September, 2001 List Price(USD): $19.99 |
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Title: Divine Foreknowledge: 4 Views by James K. Beilby, Paul R. Eddy, Gregory A. Boyd, David Hunt, William Lane Craig, Paul Helm, James K. Belby ISBN: 0830826521 Publisher: Intervarsity Press Pub. Date: November, 2001 List Price(USD): $16.00 |
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