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Title: You Bring the Bagels, I'll Bring the Gospel: Sharing the Messiah With Your Jewish Neighbor by Barry Rubin, Steffi Rubin ISBN: 1-880226-65-0 Publisher: Messianic Jewish Publishers Pub. Date: June, 1997 Format: Paperback Volumes: 1 List Price(USD): $12.99

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Average Customer Rating: 3.25 (4 reviews)

Rating: 1
Summary: When will Christians stop trying to convert Jews?
Comment: I was so disheartened by this book. There is so much excellent literature available now, written by mainstream Christian (and Jewish) scholars who rightly dismantle any need to convert Jews. Even the Presbyterian Church U.S.A. has an excellent study on Jews and Christians; and this study specifically states that Christians MUST recognize that Jews are ALREADY IN covenant with God.

Of course, Christians may always speak to their committment of their faith in God through Jesus to anyone. However, when the corner is turned from "This is how I come to know God" to "This is how you MUST come to know God to be saved," the long and terrible history of Christian supercessionism (replacement theology) and destructive Christian triumphalism come into play.

Also, it matters not whether a modern Christian (even with specifically Jewish heritage) writes a book saying that Jews need Jesus to be saved. The approach still amounts to the 2000 year-old Gentile-Christian agenda; which, if the NT is to be rightly understood, is certainly not what Jesus or Paul ever intended. Again, even current mainstream Christian scholars [see below] recognize that Jesus was most likely a Pharisee himself (or he would never have had the other Pharisee's ears at all. The harsh polemic recorded in the NT is the "sharpening" language of first century Jewish peers, not enemies, save perhaps a nervous few who were afraid of Jesus' dangerous political visibilty with Rome). Jesus (and Paul) clearly and ultimately stood for God's original covenant remaining intact while "grafting" on a new one.

Bottom line, by God's choice and eternal covenant (Rom 11:25-36), Jews are already "in God's house." There is no need for Christians to invite Jews into a house in which they already reside. Further, if a Christian takes the position that God has revoked the first covenant (sadly many still do) and that Jews need Jesus to be saved, they undermine God's very character of promise, and therefore inherantly undermine the foundation of promise in their own second covenant in Jesus. Simply, if Jews have been cut off from their covenant in any way, Christians have no hope of reliability for theirs.

With deepest theological apologies to Jews, there is even a more fundamentalistic Christian way to think a way around the standard Jesus-Jews dilema; i.e., for Christians,...IF Jesus is and has always been God (as part of the "Trinity"), THEN...Jesus, as part of the Triune Godhead, made the eternal and "irrevocable" (Paul's letter to the Romans) covenant with Israel. Again with sincere apologies to Jews,...for mainline Christians only - Jews already HAVE a salvific "relationship" with "Jesus" because Jesus, as God, formed and promised the first "irrevocable" covenant. Therefore there is - NO NEED - to talk to Jews as if they are not already "saved." There is only need to love Jews (everyone) as God loves them; with soul-deep repentance for longstanding Christian hubris and persecution, unconditional grace, the sincerest spirit of genuine charity, "block logic" (not linear) tolerance for our differences, learned understanding, and the greatest of spiritual and personal respect for "the root that supports you." (Rom 11:18)

Christians MUST repent from the need to convert Jews as this Gentile church-father (Irraneus, Martyr, Origen, Ambrose, Tertullian, Augustine, Chrysostom, Luther, etc.) attitude was - central to the success of the Holocaust. Instead, Christians must find out how we are ALL to learn and work together as we ALL wait and pray for God's fullness in history (hollow promises of many Christmas hymns notwithstanding). In this, Christians can still be, and indeed are complete Christians, and Jews, Jews.

For further study, please look these scholarly references up instead of "You bring the Bagels,..." -

1) Our Father Abraham by Marvin Wilson - 2) The God of Israel and Christian Theology by R. Kendall Soulen - 3) Has God Only One Blessing? by Mary C. Boys - 4) Faith and Fratricide by Rosemary R. Reuther - 5) Constantine's Sword by James Carroll - 6) Paul Among the Jews and Gentiles by Krister Stendahl - 7) go to ICJS.org website (Institute for Christian/Jewish Studies) - 8) go to the jcrelations.net website - 9) type in "Judaism and Christianity" in the amazon.com book search prompt to find many other good works (that don't recommend converting Jews)

Rating: 5
Summary: You Bring the Bagels; I'll Bring the Gospel
Comment: Barry Rubin's "You Bring the Bagels; I'll Bring the Gospel" is an absolute must-read for those who have a heart for the Jews! As a Messianic Jewish believer for over four years now, I realize there is still a lot I don't know yet, and this book clarified many "cloudy" areas for me. It was a tremendous help in my effort to spread the Gospel to the Jews via my new website, "The Refiner's Fire".... Mr. Rubin's easy-to-read book simply "says it all."

Carmen Welker
Colorado Springs, CO

Rating: 5
Summary: I brought the bagels - and this book delivered.
Comment: If you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, and want to share the good news with your Jewish friends, neighbors, and co-workers, this book will provide you with what you need. Rubin's book is engaging, easy to read, and chock full of applicable information. This book can be used as a primer for discussions with individuals, and also as a text for Bible studies or Sunday School classes. I have not found another book like it.

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